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Post Options Post Options   Quote marcadabollo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2011 at 03:58
Originally posted by Daniel Daniel wrote:

As part of a small job lot of German war Cinderellas I came across these two items:
 
 
 

 
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This then left the question of exactly what they were. It was tempting to think that they were some sort of postage stamp but after a Google search I found a stamp company selling some. It turns out that they were used as military travel permit revenues. I couldn't find them in any of my catalogues, not even Scott Specialized Catalogue of United States Stamps & Covers but the stamp company that does have them, Rigastamps in the US, shows Yvert & Tellier (French) catalogue numbers and Bush-Cash (I have never heard of them) catalogue numbers. The one marked GRATIS is clearly used when no fee is required. The other stamp is denominated $1 and is overprinted in German Marks, the Rigastamps site shows 2 other versions of this overprinted stamp. I wonder if there were any other basic stamps, does anyone know anything else about them?

Daniel,
these stamps are almost always described as "military travel permit stamps" but this is a reductive definition. Actually they had the same function of consular stamps but in a period when Germany was under Allied Military Governement so had no authority to issue consular stamps or passports.

Here an example of  use of a 4 DM stamp on an Austrian passport in 1952, paying the fee for a visa to Germany (issued by a representative of the military authority controlling Germany, hence the given definition)



But the fact that these stamps had the a more broad usage than allowing travel to Germany is clearly shown by this rather battered passport issued to a German citizen in Paraguay: as said, Germany under the Allied control was not allowed to issue passports therefore Germans received a "Temporary Travel Document in lieu of passport": in this case the American consul in Asuncion, in Paraguay, acted on behalf of the Allied High Commisison for Germany for issuing a permit valid for Paraguay and Argentina to a "farmer" living at the "Hotel Germania" in Asuncion and willing to move to Argentina.



The fee for the issue of the travel document was paid with two stamps denominated in US $



I have other examples of AMG stamps on passports, but I cannot retrieve them very quickly.

The Bush-Cass catalogue mentioned in the reference you have found is a catalogue of AMG revenue stamps, so the inclusion of these stamps is perfectly right, although no notice is given of the fact that the AMG used them only in connection to Germany and not, just to mention another AMG controlled area, for travel to Trieste. Less clear is the reason why the Yvert catalogue of French revenues lists them: may be just because France was part of the Allied countries controlling Germany.

As soon as I will retrieve other passports out of my GM (general mess), I'll post more pictures.
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I brief reply, but those documents above are an excellent example of how revenue stamps etc can be so much more informative than ordinary stamps and tell a story
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Post Options Post Options   Quote marcadabollo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2011 at 08:29
Steve, I would not dismiss so drastically the postage stamps which, when on letters, also may tell stories but certainly I agree with you that very often revenues are very intruguing. I started collecting passports because of the rvenues they carry, but ended up with more than 600 of them just because you can read from them pieces of life, and not always a happy one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 September 2011 at 12:02
Hello Michele (marcadabollo) and Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your reply, that's one of the great things about a growing forum, there's a good chance that eventually someone will be able to answer an outstanding question. Those passports look great with examples of the military travel permit stamps inside. I agree with Steve that revenues can tell a story when still attached to their original documents and it is a shame that, in general terms, most have been cut out. I've had a look at complete passports but most seem quite expensive but I might try some of the cheaper ones. I noticed on eBay a catalogue of AMG Revenues but coming from the USA, with postage, it was about £28.
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Hi All, I'm a collector of these WO-II Allied Military travel permit revenues. Like Michele (marcadabollo) I like them best on actual travel documents. Show's how they were used. They are listed in a few specialist catalogues:
 
[Bush] - Bush-Cass, AMG Revenue Stamps of the Allied Military Government in Europe, 1956, pag R3-R4

[Y&T] - Yvert & Tellier. Les Timbres Fiscaux et Socio-Postaux, 2004, p. 104-105

[Erler] - Erler, Martin & John Norton, Catalogue of the Adhesive Revenues of Germany, Part VIII, German Occup. Issues 1914-19, 1938-45, Allied Occup. Issues 1947-51, 1983, pag 124-127

The listed catalogue prices are really wild guesses (bogus), especially the Y&T. A few values were found in stacks of sheets in the vault of the printer in the 1990's. These are the MNH ones offered by companies like Rigastamps: GratiS, Eine Mark overprint, DM2, DM4 and DM6 overprint. Also the unused DM8 overprint and MNH 15 DM are often seen. From a collectors point of view, the actual used travel permits stamps are far more interesting.

The ones I'm still loooking for are the 50 cents overprint and the higher values used for group travel permits. Anyone? Please contact me, even when only an image of these revenues.
 
Fifty US Cents black overprint on $1 - red
$10 - green / DM 40 black overprint on $10 - green
$20 - orange / DM 80 black overprint on $20 - orange
$50 - blue / DM 200 black overprint on $50 - blue
 
This is an overview, including images I collected of the ones I still miss....
 
AMG Travel Permit Stamps collage
 
If there is interest for examples like the ones Michele showed in his reply, let me know.
 
AMG 01
 
 
AMG 03
 
AMG 07
 
AMG 16
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 October 2011 at 09:31
Hi Theo (TeeJay-III) and welcome to the forum. Thanks for supplying more information on these revenues and for the pictures. That seems to answer my question as to the other values in this series. Whereas I agree that revenues look better in situ, I particularly like your passport with British Consular Service revenues, but with passports starting at about £60 each they're a little out of my league. I'm pleased with the mint versions that I have which I got relatively cheaply but I see your point about the prices of even these mint versions especially since they came from sheets found in 1990s as you say.

None of the catalogues that you mention are readily available here with the exception of the Yvert & Tellier fiscal one which is available second-hand at £35 from Amazon which is too much for what would be of minor interest to me.

Anyway it is still very interesting to see all of these examples.

Good luck with your search for your missing values.

Daniel
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