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Topic: Sportens 2006-2012
Posted By: Steve
Subject: Sportens 2006-2012
Date Posted: 16 August 2011 at 07:00
So who has what of the new Laernu Sportens on their post?

I have a 5F yellow but I can't make the subject out properly as its a variant with 2 lemon and 2 wedgewood blue spots on it. The inscription says LADYSKOOTEN and it could show a lady skater in petticoats
The other is the 8F turqoise archery or TWANGTHUNKEN

Previous noted is the 2F Bowling or ROLLENROLLEN


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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 16 August 2011 at 07:59
I have an 11F yellow-bistre which is clearly a golfer even though it has been misperfed so that the right is on the left of the stamp and the left on the right - with an imperforate margin down the middle.  Oh and the Malthouse CDS covers some of the letters!  I think it says HITFAROUTDUNK although that doesn't quite make sense and we might have to wait for one without bisected, franked, text!

I also have the twankgthunken

Keith


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 16 August 2011 at 08:34
here's two


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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 17 August 2011 at 08:55
If anybody who got Jacks stamps and has no need for their Sportens there is a home for them here.

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Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 17 August 2011 at 09:50
I also got 2 (which Steve can't have Wink ), a 2F purple featuring bowls, ROLLENROLLEN and a 4F green featuring cricket, BATSENBOWLEN. No obvious variations. I hope that Colin makes theses available to buy at some stage.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 17 August 2011 at 10:59
Originally posted by Daniel Daniel wrote:

I hope that Colin makes theses available to buy at some stage.


So do I. The perfect antidote to the overblown blatent commercialism to 2012.

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 17 August 2011 at 22:27
Here are the ones I got on my envelope.
 
Still not good on colour perception here but I would say that the one on the left is a purple 4F cricket BATSENBOWLEN (with two horizontal white tramlines) and the one on the right is a yellow 11F golf HITFARDIDIDUNK.
 
 
Another vote here for Colin to issue these as he did with the previous eight sportens.
 
My only small reservation/disappointment is that these values seem mostly to replicate those in the previous series and I would personally have preferred to see the value gaps filled in.
 
The original set were the 1F, 2F, 3F, 4F, 5F, 7F, 9F and 11F.
 
So, there could have been the 6F, 8F, 10F, 12F, 15F and 20F for example to create a single low value series of sportens and Colin could then have created slightly different format mid and high value series later.
 
Thus far, we have reported new versions of four existing values (the 2F, 4F, 5F and 11F) plus a new 8F value.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 00:29
Perhaps Laernu does not do a price hike each year on their postal rates

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 01:04
They are simply an update on the existing Sportens.
 
The stamps feature sporting heroes and record their achievements so from time to time they are updated, but the values have so far remained the same. 


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 02:45
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

They are simply an update on the existing Sportens.
 
The stamps feature sporting heroes and record their achievements so from time to time they are updated, but the values have so far remained the same. 
The 8F value is new though isn't it? Anyway, I was just expressing my personal opinion/preference. It's your set of stamps to develop as you see fit. I love the stamps but I always found the values chosen an odd sequence. But again, just my personal opinion/preference. It's not a big thing. If it had been me, I would have done it differently. But, as I don't have the requisite talent to do it at all, who am I to be a critic?


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 05:33
The original Sportens were all invariantly dated 2005, even on the variants.

But these new ones all seem to have different dates
2F is 2006
4F is 2008
5F is 2007
8F is 2010
11F is 2009

Any logic to this I wonder.



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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 05:46
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

The original Sportens were all invariantly dated 2005, even on the variants.

But these new ones all seem to have different dates
2F is 2006
4F is 2008
5F is 2007
8F is 2010
11F is 2009

Any logic to this I wonder.

Well spotted! I'd never even noticed that the squiggles on the earlier stamps read as 2005 before. But now you point it out, and the different years on the new stamps, it's a slap oneself on the forehead job.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 08:47
Has anybody noticed how odd the cricketer image is?

There seems to be 4 stumps to the wicket.

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 21:56
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Has anybody noticed how odd the cricketer image is?

There seems to be 4 stumps to the wicket.
Good spot again! Maybe it is the variant stamp rather than the common?
 
When I first looked at them, I didn't count the number of stumps on the cricketer image but I did wonder whether the ball is missing on the golfer image.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 22:19
A close look at the golf stamp does reveal a ball. The pale colours don't help.
I have tried looking up vintage golf clubs because the one pictured looks a real oldie. But is it the type to use for a swing like that?

But going back to the cricketer, looks like a bunch of flowers tucked into the back of his trousers.

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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 19 August 2011 at 02:38
There are at least two 11F golfers.  Mine, split in half though he is, is in the "addressing the ball" pose.  The perforation goes right through where his balls should be (edited to say - ooops! sorry, I meant "where the ball should be" of course).  I'll do a scan when I can.

Out of interest I looked up whether there used to be four stumps in a wicket.  No.  It seems that three is a very recent innovation having been introduced as recently as 1775.  But it used to be two stumps and one bail.  Making it look like a wicket gate - hence wicket.

Keith


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 22 August 2011 at 09:44
Has anybody had any different stamps to those declared here? There must be at least one more value, possibly three; and further variants.

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 22 August 2011 at 20:34
Yep, here's a variant that I have not seen on here yet






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Posted By: OlFella
Date Posted: 26 August 2011 at 21:14
Here are all the sportens that I have been lucky enough to receive from Colin..
not sure how many are new etc so will leave it up to you experts Wink
http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-86ED_4EFD6CB2.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-8611_4EFD6CB2.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-E9CD_4EFD6CB2.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-442A_4EFD6CB2.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-17BB_4EFD6CF9.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-2B52_4EFD6CF9.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-FF3E_4EFD6CF9.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-2550_4EFD6CF9.html"> http://thegomc.com/DPInew/share-F694_4EFD6CF9.html">

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Posted By: OlFella
Date Posted: 26 August 2011 at 21:15
I do hope that the above post was not too large ??
Could some kind soul please let me know ?
Thanks

OlFella


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Posted By: Anne
Date Posted: 27 August 2011 at 23:02
Looks fine to me OlFella. 
Your 5F and 8F at least look like new ones to me, as they are both a bit different from the ones Steve posted with the same values.
 
These are the sportens I got. The 2F Rollenrollen seems to be a new variation, with the white stripes.
 


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 01:42
Great stuff folks

OlFella: If you didn't know you have a selection of original and new sportens there. Check out the original stamps http://www.askmeaboutstamps.com/?page_id=253 - here

The 4F LEANOPSUNFLOOTEN there is a new variant, with the diver sporting a beard. That with have to be added to the page link above.

The 2F ROLLENROLLEN is a variant. The bowler's hand appears to be either over or under the bowl.
The 8F TWANGTHUNKEN has two different archers featured. Facing different ways, wearing different hats and holding the bow level or upwards.
And I think the 11F HITFAROUTDUNK is with or without the golf ball. Not sure whether the golfer is looking in different directions on some stamps. Hard to tell on the scans of the fainter colours.

Great stuff

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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 07:39
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/TheBywoods/Cinderellas/Sportens.jpg - Here's a link to an image of the 11F golfer variant.  As you can see he may or may not have balls and he is a different position.  Presumably this exists without the misperforation.  Anyone got one?

Keith


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 09:01
So 5 different sporting activities so far, and three of them have an alternative image variation.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:06
On the contrary Daniel, the cricketers is yet a third image used for this sport/value, and its in a different colour to the other

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Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:07
Here are my 2 stamps, they don't appear to be obvious variations but the cricket stamp also has 4 stumps in the wicket:




Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:10
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

On the contrary Daniel, the cricketers is yet a third image used for this sport/value, and its in a different colour to the other


Sorry, I tried to alter my post without success and have re-posted it so Steve is referring to my post aboveEmbarrassed


Posted By: Anne
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:13
It seems that four stumps must be standard in Batsenbowlen. I guess there is no real reason the rules have to be the same as in cricket.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:24
Originally posted by Daniel Daniel wrote:


Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

On the contrary Daniel, the cricketers is yet a third image used for this sport/value, and its in a different colour to the other


Sorry, I tried to alter my post without success and have re-posted it so Steve is referring to my post aboveEmbarrassed


Yes

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 August 2011 at 11:25
Originally posted by Anne Anne wrote:



It seems that four stumps must be standard in Batsenbowlen. I guess there is no real reason the rules have to be the same as in cricket.


Excellent point. the game may only clodely resemble cricket as we know it

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Posted By: Susanne
Date Posted: 30 August 2011 at 02:04
I have the 8F and 2F pictured in OlFella's post.


Posted By: Murgatroyd
Date Posted: 30 August 2011 at 03:09
I got a pair of the Archer, (Bottom left in OlFella's scan) horizontal pair Tete a Beche.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 30 August 2011 at 08:17
Originally posted by Susanne Susanne wrote:

I have the 8F and 2F pictured in OlFella's post.


I bet they are not exactly the same as those pictured. Look closely.

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Posted By: Susanne
Date Posted: 30 August 2011 at 13:11
Ok, took a magnifying glass to them and noticed that on my 2F the bowler's hand is on top of the ball, like in Daniel's scan.  But, can't find a difference on the 8F, I think it's the same as OlFella's.  I'll try to get a picture up soon though.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 08:39
I have noticed that the flowery foliate border on the new archery stamps frames the image differently to all the others, both old and new. I think this is not acciental.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 11:41
The Golfer has a 2 ball variant

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Posted By: Quilpusha
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 20:13
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 . . . yesterday's post brought Jacks envelope and extras, in an inner envelope that had two Sportens. Both 8f and both blue/green'ish. One has overprinting in black -
TESTEN
NOTTEN
RELEASEN
This is just off centre at the top of the stamp, and appears - well almost appears again in the bottom right corner as -
  TEST
 NOTT
RELEA
 - with the bottom world half sliced through. Both stamps were beautifully franked with Colin's Malthouse Studio frank. Is this the first example of an overprint, I do not recall if others have reported it.
 
Pictures will follow as and when I can dig out my scanner from under the detritus that is my desk.
 


Posted By: Susanne
Date Posted: 13 September 2011 at 11:12
Here are mine:
 


Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 16 September 2011 at 07:42
Here are the two which I got on the envelope containing my Jack Edwards Skydiving special cover. A 2F bowls ROLLENROLLEN and a 5F skating LADISKOOTEN.
 
I haven't had a chance to examine the images for any differences from those already reported.
 


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 16 September 2011 at 08:30
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:



Here are the two which I got on the envelope containing my Jack Edwards Skydiving special cover. A 2F bowls ROLLENROLLEN and a 5F skating LADISKOOTEN.
 
I haven't had a chance to examine the images for any differences from those already reported.


I think the lady skater has changed her hat

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 16 September 2011 at 10:46
In both posted images of the right facing archer he seems to be firing three arrows, suggesting there must be a normal stamp where he is firing just one

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 16 September 2011 at 18:26
Here's another variant for perusal



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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 24 November 2011 at 03:37
Thanks to unstinting work by Steve I have finally been able to add this year's unexpected cascade of Laernu sportens to askme.  You can http://www.askmeaboutstamps.com/?page_id=2358 - see them here .  If you have images of stamps not illustrated or of stamps not even catalogued yet please let me know here.

Keith 


Posted By: roc-chic
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 05:37
If anyone has spares of theseor similar stamps they would like to sell or trade I am looking for sports stamps of this type to make scrapbook pages for Olympics this year. PM me please!I have Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket  Thumbs Up


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 09 January 2012 at 06:31
I think the problem of spares of these sporten stamps is that no-one has a specialised complete set. We may have traded the odd spares we had for someone els's odd spares. There are just so many variations, and I recently found I had one in my spares (extremely few) was in fact a previously unrecognised variation.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13 January 2012 at 07:48
Will these ever be released as an issue?  Weren't they going to be printed in 2011?


Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 13 January 2012 at 22:20
Colin's calendar differs a lot from that used in the rest of the Western world.  So you can never know when 2011 might be until it actually arrives unexpectedly.

Keith


Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 05:31
My year 2 stamps have a Sporten type 27 tete beche pair on the cover. Anyone else found any unrecorded Laernu stamps?

Keith


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 05:54
Mine have not arrived yet Sob Sob

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 07:29
They are not really new any more but sheets of the Sportens are still available to anyone who wants them...


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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 08:15
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

They are not really new any more but sheets of the Sportens are still available to anyone who wants them...


What do mean by 'still available'. Do you mean the originals or the 2010/2011 new designs. I'm up for the new ones.

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 09:11
Got a tete-beche pair of type 33 sporten (golfer driving) with mine

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Posted By: Quilpusha
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 21:34
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

They are not really new any more but sheets of the Sportens are still available to anyone who wants them...
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 . . . . "to anyone who wants them".
TO ANYONE WHO WANTS THEM!!!
What are you on Colin? You are fully aware of the diligence of the Sporten Collectors. To offer in such a cavalier manner that which we hold so dear, well I call it very kind of you. All donations gratefully received. 
 
For the record, my 2nd Anniversary Stamps arrived yesterday - Wednesday, thank you. Very nice indeed.
 
On the envelope there were the following Sportens:
 
11f yellow bistre HITFAROUTDUNK offset print as per 37p in Keiths askme listings.
4f cerise BATSENBOWLEN tete beche pair.
 
 


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 30 May 2012 at 23:47
I'll put some prices up in the 'Market Place' - I haven't sold these on eBay so perhaps everyone has assumed they were not yet for sale.
 
The stamps are only available as minisheets of 12, each sheet has one variant.
 
Like the previous issues there are also printing error variants that might leak out from time to time - but these will only be stuck to envelopes, not sold.
 
Bear with me while I find my notes and costings and I will post up in Market Place...
 


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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 08:05
Originally posted by Quilpusha Quilpusha wrote:

Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

They are not really new any more but sheets of the Sportens are still available to anyone who wants them...
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 . . . . "to anyone who wants them".
TO ANYONE WHO WANTS THEM!!!
What are you on Colin? You are fully aware of the diligence of the Sporten Collectors. To offer in such a cavalier manner that which we hold so dear, well I call it very kind of you. All donations gratefully received. 
 


Do you want to hold him Peter while I slap him?

Keith


Posted By: Quilpusha
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 19:59
Originally posted by Keith Keith wrote:

Originally posted by Quilpusha Quilpusha wrote:

Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

They are not really new any more but sheets of the Sportens are still available to anyone who wants them...
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 . . . . "to anyone who wants them".
TO ANYONE WHO WANTS THEM!!!
What are you on Colin? You are fully aware of the diligence of the Sporten Collectors. To offer in such a cavalier manner that which we hold so dear, well I call it very kind of you. All donations gratefully received. 


Do you want to hold him Peter while I slap him?
Keith
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 . . . oh! Yes please Keith. Big smile


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 01 June 2012 at 22:45
A bedrizzled postie just dropped mine through the door. hurrah!

I will collate all these for an AskMe website update, but it looks like its going to be fun with a capital F. There has been an update on the clours for instance. The Ladyskooten is more orange than yellow now, and stands out much better. And the Batsenbowlen is a deepr purple rather mauve.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 01:39
Ever keeping us on our toes Colin.
I was just checking that the 2011 Sportens' perforations sent out this week were the same as those that appeared last year (they were), I found that the latest batch seem to be different sizes.
The width is the same but the height differs. The Twangthunken is 31mm high, the Ladyscooten is 30mm and the Batzenbowlen is 29mm. The stamps I have from previous printings of these were all 30mm.

Now where's my UV penlight?

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 02:03
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

The width is the same but the height differs. The Twangthunken is 31mm high, the Ladyscooten is 30mm and the Batzenbowlen is 29mm. The stamps I have from previous printings of these were all 30mm.
 
I think I may have to pioneer the concept of 'Artisan perfing' to get around the combination of learning curve and impatience that dominates the few hours I get every week to perforate... Embarrassed
 
No UV on these ones - honest!
 


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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 02 June 2012 at 04:53
Please don't perfect any techniques Colin. Finding these variations is all part of the fun. What else would I do with my time

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 22:05
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

A bedrizzled postie just dropped mine through the door. hurrah!

I will collate all these for an AskMe website update, but it looks like its going to be fun with a capital F. There has been an update on the clours for instance. The Ladyskooten is more orange than yellow now, and stands out much better. And the Batsenbowlen is a deepr purple rather mauve.


Have any more of the new ones appeared in new colours? The pictures on the AskMe site are fairly accurate for comparison purposes.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 04 June 2012 at 22:13
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Ever keeping us on our toes Colin.
I was just checking that the 2011 Sportens' perforations sent out this week were the same as those that appeared last year (they were), I found that the latest batch seem to be different sizes.
The width is the same but the height differs. The Twangthunken is 31mm high, the Ladyscooten is 30mm and the Batzenbowlen is 29mm. The stamps I have from previous printings of these were all 30mm.

Now where's my UV penlight?


Can anybody else report any size variations from the standard which seems to be 30mm tall and 24 mm wide.
I have noticed that my 2011 left-facing Twangthunken are 1mm smaller in both dimensions. The images on AskMe are not to scale; they were resized identically before posting, hence this stamp looks larger there because its a smaller stamp but with an identically sized image; its the borders that are reduced in size. (Is it worth addressing this when recompiling the info with the 2011 issue?).

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Posted By: Susanne
Date Posted: 25 June 2012 at 12:09
Got my Year 2 stamps today!  Loved getting the Sportens on the envelope.  I have a tete-beche 33.  They're definitely more orange, like Steve mentioned.  Also a 30, again a darker purple as mentioned, and a 35.  There are also two stickers on the back which I think are totally new to me, a black and a teal Far Fetched Philately. 


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 25 June 2012 at 12:19
Originally posted by Susanne Susanne wrote:

Got my Year 2 stamps today!  Loved getting the Sportens on the envelope.  I have a tete-beche 33.  They're definitely more orange, like Steve mentioned.  Also a 30, again a darker purple as mentioned, and a 35.  There are also two stickers on the back which I think are totally new to me, a black and a teal Far Fetched Philately. 


Thanks for the reminder Susanne. I had a small multicoloured FFP label; turqoise merging into orange with red lettering.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 August 2012 at 04:57
When you get the latest Sportens don't forget to post the variants and whatever up here.

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 26 August 2012 at 03:03
Received mine and found the following variants: 

8f TWANGTHUNKEN (archers aiming up) Column 1, row 3, white patch on shoulder .............. column 2 row 3, curly toed shoes on trilby archer.

5f LADISKOOTEN column 1, row 2, hat missing

2f ROLLENROLLEN column 2 row 3, bowling backhanded

11f HITFAROHOHDUNK (putter) column 2 row 3, bent knee stance

8f TWANGTHUNKEN (ARCHER AIMING FORWARD) see above column 2 row 1, something missing from quiver.

4f BATSENBOWLEN overprint, alternating, box on cricketer on left, mask/goggles on cricketer on right, safety helmet on crouching cricketer .............. . juggled balls, positions?

11f HITFAROHOHDUNK (swinger) not a clue

4f BATSENBOWLEN column 2 row 3, bow on arse of cricketer.

And finally, on the envelope that they came in 3 x joined 4f BATSENBOWLIN all with bow on arse, middle one of which is tete-beche (inverted)


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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 26 August 2012 at 04:26
Originally posted by Jonty Jonty wrote:

on the envelope that they came in 3 x joined 4f BATSENBOWLIN
all with bow on arse, middle one of which is tete-beche (inverted)


I think you will find Colin put that strip on the envelope upside down just to fox you. So its really the end two that are inverted.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 26 August 2012 at 04:49
I agree on most of that Jonty.

Except

8f TWANGTHUNKEN (archers aiming up) Column 1, row 3, white patch on shoulder .............. column 2 row 3, curly toed shoes on trilby archer.
I am not sure about the white patch. And check out the hats and shoes and his belt. Several variants in combinations there.

5f LADISKOOTEN column 1, row 2, hat missing
Actually I think she has swapped her helmet for a bonnet. I had several versions of this earlier and they are all the variant.

8f TWANGTHUNKEN (ARCHER AIMING FORWARD) see above column 2 row 1, something missing from quiver.
I thought that this stamp had dark flights on the arrows in the quiver, but its very difficult to tell.

11f HITFAROHOHDUNK (swinger) not a clue
I think he has his score card protuding from his jacket pocket, but not 100% sure on this. column 3 row 1

4f BATSENBOWLEN overprint, alternating, box on cricketer on left, mask/goggles on cricketer on right, safety helmet on crouching cricketer .............. . juggled balls, positions?
Looks like one juggled ball is missing on those stamps where noprotection is worn.

4f BATSENBOWLEN batsman. Cannot find anything on this one

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 26 August 2012 at 23:44
Somehow I missed an obvious variation onthe BATSENBOWLEN Helfen Safeten issue.
The bottom row of perforations is missing on my sheet.


Also I notice that the sheets, for the most part, are not perforated exactly. There seems to be a narrow column compensated by a wider one, and/or a taller row compensated by a shorter one. So that if this happens in a sheet we get a tall narrow stamp, a tall standard, a tall wide, etc etc .... ending up with just six of the twelve stamps of standard dimensions.
Could this be deliberate?

If anybody is interested I could put my findings here. Perhaps what i have is not consistent across everybodies sheets.

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 03:46
Got my package of the new release of sportens in the post on Friday and thought people might like to see the stamps that were on the envelope in which they arrived.
 


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 04:54
Now I am utterly totally confused.
Is this a second batch of 2006-10 Sportens?

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Posted By: Anne
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 05:02
These were on my package, which arrived yesterday:


Posted By: Anne
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 05:34
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Now I am utterly totally confused.
Is this a second batch of 2006-10 Sportens?
They are labelled 2011 and 2012.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 05:36
Originally posted by Anne Anne wrote:


Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Now I am utterly totally confused.
Is this a second batch of 2006-10 Sportens?

They are labelled 2011 and 2012.


But they haven't even been announced yet have they?

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 06:17
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Originally posted by Anne Anne wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Now I am utterly totally confused.
Is this a second batch of 2006-10 Sportens?
They are labelled 2011 and 2012.
But they haven't even been announced yet have they?
Hah! The idea of Colin actually officially announcing something. You're living in some sort of dream world, Steve.
 
On the other hand, there is an official rumour that the said Mr Edwards has in fact produced some additional sportens for 2011 and 2012 to continue the issuance schedule established from 2006 to 2010 and has also produced a special extra 2012 issue in conjunction with Laernu's premier road cycling champion who has had a particularly successful year.
 
More I cannot say upon pain of sharp instruments being delivered to my private messenger inbox.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 08:18
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Hah! The idea of Colin actually officially announcing something. You're living in some sort of dream world, Steve.


So what's http://www.cinderellastampsforum.com/sportens_topic614.html - this item ?

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 09:18
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Hah! The idea of Colin actually officially announcing something. You're living in some sort of dream world, Steve.


So what's http://www.cinderellastampsforum.com/sportens_topic614.html - this item ?

I'm confused as well Steve, what's going on?


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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 11:04
Don't be confused, these are the new stamps for 2011 and 2012.
 
Joolz and Anne (and one other!) had ordered their 2008-2010 issues and as the latest had just come off the press I knew they would also want the latest issues too - and we could save on some postage.
 
There is one stamp for 2011 and two for 2012. Later in the week when I get a moment I will post a picture and announce them properly.
 
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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 11:33
So, do these need to be moved to a new thread, or do I rename this one's again?

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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 11:53
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Hah! The idea of Colin actually officially announcing something. You're living in some sort of dream world, Steve.
So what's http://www.cinderellastampsforum.com/sportens_topic614.html - this item ?
Yes... I wasn't being entirely serious in my comment and I'm sure you know what I mean re Colin and the speed of his announcements cf the original availability of the items. For example, in the case of those items, the thread to which you linked was started six months after Colin claims that he had begun subtly hinting at their existence and, by implication, their availability for purchase. Although none of us were apparently sufficiently on the ball to take him up on any of these subtle hints. So, he eventually had to take a more direct approach. (Which would probably be the way to go in the future, Colin! - although it would detract a little from the entertaining detective work otherwise needed to work out what you're selling when! LOL)


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 11:58
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Although none of us were apparently sufficiently on the ball to take him up on any of these subtle hints.

Speak for yourself about not being on the ball. I have been begging for these since June last year, at least once a week and have the emails to prove it.

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Posted By: Admin
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 21:32
All my fault - sorry everyone  Unhappy

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 22:04
Originally posted by Admin Admin wrote:

All my fault - sorry everyone  Unhappy

Three days on the naughty step for you  my lad!


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 09 September 2012 at 23:38
Originally posted by Jonty Jonty wrote:

Originally posted by Admin Admin wrote:

All my fault - sorry everyone Unhappy
Three days on the naughty step for you  my lad!
I think Colin secretly rather likes the naughty step. (Perhaps he has the wrong idea about how the 'naughty' element of the step works and to what it refers. LOL) Anyway, I think the main thing to come out of all this is to get your paypal accounts primed and your orders ready to go in for the new sportens. (Once they are officially announced of course! Wink)


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 01:58
These latest 2011-12 Sportens' variants are tricky.
The Nolookendownun is very slight, the Pedalunpuffen not as easy as it looks, but the Cinqueloopen has me foxed.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 02:02
On my envelope more variants



Look close and you will see the top two are conjoined (or setenant for any philatelists out there). Now just how can you have a printing error like that!?!?

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Posted By: Susanne
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 06:17
Really nice pictures!!  I am the one who's not on the ball here.  Only just recently ordered.  If I come across anything different I'll put a picture up.


Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 13 September 2012 at 21:49
Susanne - it's not you it's me, and my rather haphazard approach to releasing new stamps.
 
I hope normal service will be resumed shortly!


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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 14 September 2012 at 09:40
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

I hope normal service will be resumed shortly!


Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. We all know Colin's normal service don't we?

Meanwhile has anyone worked out how the Cinqueloopen sportsman actually does his routine without getting the ropes all tangled up? I suspect he must have someone operating the strings like a puppetmaster.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16 September 2012 at 00:46
How about a Cantenwinnun Sporten stamp next time Colin?


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 22 September 2012 at 08:57
I have some new variations to report.

Twangthunken (Ernie Terrahooley) - paler print

Nolookendownen - coloured elliptical blobs print variation

Pedallenpuffen (Waggley Bigguns) print variant with thin white/pale lines
ditto Lower right quadrant pale print
ditto the miniature sheet no flag variant overprinted TESTEN NOTTEN RELEASEN

Batsenbowlen - three cricketers without protective gear un-overprinted

Cinquenloopen - tete-beche pairs of variant and ordinary; either way round
one pair is the normal stamp and the variant
the other pair is two variants

Blank stamps with Helfensafeten overprint

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 September 2012 at 03:48
It was always my assumption that the variations were always the one or more different versions of the stamps that appeared on the sheets, whereas the striped, spotted ad different tones of colour ones were the 'print errors' mentioned in the description on the eBay listing. The 'Testen Notten Releasen' being tests of the final stamps not for public release. I haven't seen the blank stamp with the overprint so cannot comment on that.   Big smile


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 23 September 2012 at 04:02
Originally posted by watermane watermane wrote:

It was always my assumption that the variations were always the one or more different versions of the stamps that appeared on the sheets, whereas the striped, spotted ad different tones of colour ones were the 'print errors' mentioned in the description on the eBay listing. The 'Testen Notten Releasen' being tests of the final stamps not for public release. I haven't seen the blank stamp with the overprint so cannot comment on that.   Big smile


Apologies for not being precise, but in this case I used the words variant and variation interchangeably, and just as a means to distinguish them from the regular sheet stamps.
However I think the description 'printing error' would be incorrect, as these are more than likely intentional.
All be be complete and more exact when listed on the AskMe site.

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Posted By: Colin
Date Posted: 23 September 2012 at 06:01

Laernu doesn't always follow our world's rules and the 'printing errors' are a good example of that... 

It runs parallel-ish.
 
Charlie Harborne once best explained it by saying that (and I paraphrase, from memory...) 'while two pieces of spaghetti might appear identical, parallel when held closely together, put them in boiling water and it's a whole different kettle of pasta... yet they are still two pieces of spaghetti.'  Shocked
 


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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 00:30
I had a nice bag of sportens in the post from Colin today.
 
Aside from the 2006-2012 commons, there were the mythprints of: the 2008 Cricket Bill Lole 4F "BatsenBowlen"; the 2008 Cricket Helfen Safeten Charity Issue 4F "BatsenBowlen"; and (I think) the 2011 Tightrope-Walking 3F "NoLookenDownun".
 
(I got two of "NoLookenDownun" stamps - at first (, second, third and subsequent) glance(s) identical - one is presumably the common and the other the mythprint, but I don't know what the mythprint is and Steve has only described it as "very slight" - something more specific so I can tell whether one of the two I have is the mythprint would be much appreciated.)
 
For the 2008 Cricket Helfen Safeten Charity Issue 4F "BatsenBowlen", I had the common both with and without the "One Adden Fillis" overprint.
 
There were also the following other variants (per the attached scan):
 
A 2012 Cycling Waggly Bigguns 6F "PedalunPuffen" with circular and elliptical blobs
A 2011 Tightrope-Walking 3F "NoLookenDownun" with 'Testen Notten Releasen' overprint
A 2010 Archery Ernie Terrahhooley 8F "TwangThunken" with 'Testen Notten Releasen' overprint
A 2008 Cricket Bill Lole 4F "BatsenBowlen" with four differently coloured quadrants
A 2008 Cricket Bill Lole 4F "BatsenBowlen" tete-beche mythprint joined pair
Like Steve, I also had a perforated blank with the "One Adden Fillis" overprint.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 01:52
Great stuff Joolz

Peter, forgive me for transplanting this here, but it perhaps more pertinent to this thread.
Originally posted by Quilpusha Quilpusha wrote:

[It seems to me that many of the Sporten variants first arrived with us, on packages and envelopes and so presented a number of problems.
1. How do we keep them, on the whole package/envelope or do we try to remove them with some kind of adhesive solvent?

2. Were/are they for real or was Colin just decorating packages? (Surely he couldn't be so naive.)

3. Would we ever be able to gather together a complete collection, when these variants seemed to appear at any opportunity?

4. Why can't Dulux mix me a can of Yorkenberry Gloss?


Most of the above have over those three or so years been answered - I am close to litigation with Dulux. But it struck me that it might be interesting to hear from others of you, as to how you started collecting 'Laernu'. And whether we would ever get to the bottom of the variants 'pit'.


I have the same dilemma. As much as I would like to keep the original packets intact, I would also like these stamps to be ordered nicely in my collection. And also only the packet's front side can normally be seen, hiding extra stamps or labels on the back.
Before I attempt anything, has anybody successfully managed to detach the stamps? If so how? I have some still on paper but very neatly trimmed, but would really prefer just the stamp. Those on the reverse would cause additional problems due to the use of card backed envelopes.

But Peter, I am sure that in B&Q somewhere in those paint mixing options Dulux (or Crown) have a Yokenberry, albeit under a different name.

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Posted By: Quilpusha
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 02:14
Originally posted by Steve Steve wrote:

Peter, forgive me for transplanting this here, but it perhaps more pertinent to this thread.
Originally posted by Quilpusha Quilpusha wrote:

[It seems to me that many of the Sporten variants first arrived with us, on packages and envelopes and so presented a number of problems.
1. How do we keep them, on the whole package/envelope or do we try to remove them with some kind of adhesive solvent?
2. Were/are they for real or was Colin just decorating packages? (Surely he couldn't be so naive.)
3. Would we ever be able to gather together a complete collection, when these variants seemed to appear at any opportunity?
4. Why can't Dulux mix me a can of Yorkenberry Gloss?
Most of the above have over those three or so years been answered - I am close to litigation with Dulux. But it struck me that it might be interesting to hear from others of you, as to how you started collecting 'Laernu'. And whether we would ever get to the bottom of the variants 'pit'.

I have the same dilemma. As much as I would like to keep the original packets intact, I would also like these stamps to be ordered nicely in my collection. And also only the packet's front side can normally be seen, hiding extra stamps or labels on the back.
Before I attempt anything, has anybody successfully managed to detach the stamps? If so how? I have some still on paper but very neatly trimmed, but would really prefer just the stamp. Those on the reverse would cause additional problems due to the use of card backed envelopes.
But Peter, I am sure that in B&Q somewhere in those paint mixing options Dulux (or Crown) have a Yokenberry, albeit under a different name.
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 . . . With regards to B&Q Steve, I am sure that you are right. It would just be absolutely brilliant to have a labelled can of Yorkenberry Paint. A kind of Crowning moment. Wink (I'll get my coat.)
 
As to removing stamps from backings, I have asked Colin, and he feels that the stamps will take a soaking, but his franking may not as it could be water based. He recommends lighter fuel, and while I havent tried it yet, I am going to have a go soon.


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 03:47
Originally posted by Quilpusha Quilpusha wrote:

He recommends lighter fuel, and while I havent tried it yet, I am going to have a go soon.


I will let you experiment and trust you to report back

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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 07:17
I have had some success with steaming them off the envelopes, over a kettle with the steam directed/aimed at the envelope on the back of the stamp. Still got the scars to prove it.



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Posted By: Jonty
Date Posted: 24 September 2012 at 07:38
Here are the variations from my pack of singles



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