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Topic: Tudor Penny Post
Posted By: Keith
Subject: Tudor Penny Post
Date Posted: 26 June 2010 at 04:51
As part of my new Gerald King collection I've recently bought this set of http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/TheBywoods/WIPA%201933/Machins/Cinderellas/scan0030.jpg - Tudor Penny Post stamps.

They were an eBay lot so came without history.  One thing you have to say about Gerald is that his stamps come with a story - generally of the shaggy-dog variety.  Does anyone know of any tale attached to this issue?

Now Gerald is a member I've proddled him to come and tell us all about them but if anyone else knows anything I'd be delighted to hear.

Keith



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Posted By: phantasmagoria
Date Posted: 26 June 2010 at 07:10
Thanks Keith.
Nothing really exotic about the Tudor set;  I came across a very old album devoted to Shakespearian quotes using cutout designs from stamps of the 1920s/3os  The opening page had the stamps stuckin. I managed to retrieve them, and realized there were only four Tudor isses involved,,, no Henry VII who of course was the first Tudor monarch. So I borrowed a portrait from a cigarette card featuring him, and adjusted the frame lettering. So now we have a full set of the Tudor monarchs.  They are printed by top quality laser copier on a type of vellum paper.  They are in sheets of 24 (4 x 6)  are ungummed, and have a full marginal inscription thus;
 
The Henry VII sheet :
"Place ye label above ye addresse & towards ye ryghte of ye lettre.
Applye ye small mixture of cowe dunge & syrruppe to back of label & affyxe.   
Pryce ONE PENNY per label.  ONE GROAT per row of 4   ONE FLORIN ye shete.
Printed by William Caxton at West Minster, London.
 
The other 4 monarchs sheet inscriptions are the same except the printers details which read
Printed by Messrs Wynkyn de Worde at St.Bride. Fleet Street London
 
Apparently Wynkyn de Worde was Caxton's apprentice and eventually took over the business
 
None of the stamps known on cover  (yet !)


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 26 June 2010 at 10:38
I am a proud owner of some of these too.

Now you've given us a Discworld connection between these stamps and those others.

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Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 June 2010 at 03:12
These Tudor stamps 'inspired' me to have a go at a Stuart set some time last year.
I used the official portraits of the monarchs, set against a luxurious silk background, matched to the portrait colours. This was to provide a contrast to the Tudor set, though obviously they would not have had the technology to actually create these stamps. Its fantasy right?
The inscriptions come from the coins of that era. Interesting to note they still claimed France within their territories. All are valued at 1 penny except the William and Mary stamps which are a pair of ½d.
During the Commonwealth period there was an Oliver Cromwell stamp, but being rather puritanical he opted for a sackcloth background.
Here are the stamps in reduced resolution.



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Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 28 June 2010 at 06:37
Why haven't I seen these stamps?

(Steve's, I have Gerald's)


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 June 2010 at 06:43
This was their grand entrance

As stamps they don't exist .........   yet

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Posted By: gonarain
Date Posted: 28 June 2010 at 09:14
Very very nice stamps, i like them.
Smile 

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Posted By: toast
Date Posted: 28 June 2010 at 10:04
very nice Steve... consider an Epson workforce 1100 printer if your next attempt at resurrecting the Polaroid fails... 13x19 (or much longer if needed), pigments, good resolution... has been selling on sale at around $120 US with free shipping. I know how frustrating printer problems can be. best
toast


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 28 June 2010 at 11:31
Thanks for the suggestion toast. Will look into it.

I think that if I did persue these stamps I would rebuild them from scratch using the few skills I have gained in the last year. Just subtle improvements.

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Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 04 July 2010 at 04:43
Here are scans of two of the Tudor sheets so you can see the words that phantasmagoia described.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/TheBywoods/WIPA%201933/Machins/Cinderellas/scan0037.jpg - Here is the Henry VII sheet printed by William Caxton

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii121/TheBywoods/WIPA%201933/Machins/Cinderellas/scan0038.jpg - Here is the Henry VIII sheet printed by Wynkyn de Worde


Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 02 May 2014 at 05:27
I've added scans of all five Tudor sheets to the askme website at http://www.askmeaboutstamps.com/?page_id=3965" rel="nofollow - the end of this link .

Keith


Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 02 May 2014 at 05:57
Originally posted by Keith Keith wrote:

I've added scans of all five Tudor sheets to the askme website at http://www.askmeaboutstamps.com/?page_id=3965" rel="nofollow - the end of this link .

Keith
Lovely sheets, Keith. Gerald should be justly proud of those beauties. I hope I might get the opportunity to nab myself a set if one ever turns up on ebay. (I'm assuming that they aren't available directly from the source anymore given that Gerald produced them a number of years ago. Do you happen to know whether that assumption is correct or not?)


Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 03 May 2014 at 02:39
I've asked but don't expect a reply until the snooker has finished.

I bought the sheets almost 4 years ago and I think tthere were few, if any, more. I wonder how many were produced. I've only ever seen the singles on eBay.

Keith


Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 03 May 2014 at 04:21
I've sent you a PM Joolz.

Keith


Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: 03 May 2014 at 06:19
Originally posted by Keith Keith wrote:

I've sent you a PM Joolz.

Keith
Thanks, Keith. Thumbs Up Big smile


Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: 02 June 2014 at 22:54
I've updated this page on askme in order to include the later http://www.askmeaboutstamps.com/?page_id=3965" rel="nofollow - Henry V!!! "Matrimonial Cause" sheets .  I don't know how many of these are in the wild but I've never seen them on eBay.  They seem to show that there was a knowledge of Wonderland as far back as Tudor times.

Keith


Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 01 January 2018 at 12:45
Originally posted by phantasmagoria phantasmagoria wrote:

Nothing really exotic about the Tudor set;  I came across a very old album devoted to Shakespearean quotes using cutout designs from stamps of the 1920s/3os  The opening page had the stamps stuck in. I managed to retrieve them, and realized there were only four Tudor issues involved,,, no Henry VII 

So, this begs the question as to the origin of these found stamps and I am now able to answer this having acquired a nice lot of articles from various philatelic publications and newspapers relating to Cinderella stamps. In The American Philatelist for October 1988, four stamps are depicted on the cover. The article inside explains that the book that Gerald refers to is G A Higlett's Shakespeare as a Stamp Collector which consists of various quotes from Shakespeare that could easily seem to refer to postage stamps. It was published in England in 1921 and it was limited to only 136 copies and it did contain the stamps mounted opposite the title page. If Gerald still has it, it must be very rare in itself.

All I can show is the cover of the magazine:

https://flic.kr/p/2369fwv" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/2369fwv" rel="nofollow - Higlett by https://www.flickr.com/photos/101603119@N05/" rel="nofollow - Spicer57 , on Flickr


Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 08:41
https://flic.kr/p/2j1KCZ8" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/2j1KCZ8" rel="nofollow - Scan_20200513 (2) by https://www.flickr.com/photos/101603119@N05/" rel="nofollow - Spicer57 , on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/2j1H3K7" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/2j1H3K7" rel="nofollow - Scan_20200513 (3) by https://www.flickr.com/photos/101603119@N05/" rel="nofollow - Spicer57 , on Flickr


Posted By: Steve
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 11:00
Excellent Daniel

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