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Originally posted by JesperDK JesperDK wrote:

I have the following picture of the Wonderland (including Looking-Glass Land) printings:

1st printing: Perf 11 (Original Catalogue 1965, dealing with the first printings, large format, Black on coloured papers, Perf. 11 3/4)

2nd printing: Rouletted

3rd printing: Imperf.

4th printing: Perf 11 and Imperf.


I've discussed this with Gerry to try to get some better clarity.  But, as he says, it was 50 years ago and, as it was only a bit of fun, he wasn't keeping records.  But he can remember names!  So.

1st printing (1965, black on coloured papers) exists in at least two states.  Imperforate and P11.  Some of the printed sheets from Red Lodge Press, were "sent to Harry Rooke (Cinderella journalist for magazine "Stamp Collecting Weekly") who in turn sent them to someone who had a perforating machine.  They came back with at least two thirds badly perfed right into the design.  I never used this guy again as I by this time had been contacted by Dave Stirling who had his own machine and was much better at it; he did all my stuff after that."  My own collection has perf and imperf.  Some of the perforations are very scruffily done but I've no way, yet, of being able to point to the two different perforators.

2nd Printing (late 1970, black on 10 different coloured papers).  Added the 7 1/2 wink too late, the Weeping mock turtle and the 4 winks postage due.  The one and three wink Alice heads were printed in blocks of 4.  The sheets were box-rouletted 13 1/2 (but I don't know who by, the printers maybe as this issue seems to be always perforated.

3rd printing.  (mid 70s - a date anyone?) Coloured designs on coloured paper.  6 colours of stamps on 4 colours of paper - so 24 variants of each stamp for completists to look for!

Should we move this discussion to a new thread?  It doesn't seem to have much to do with reference materials any more!

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Since it is Gerald King´s birthday today (81 years young) I thought I would post a very interesting letter I have in my collection. 

The letter is 52 years old (1964) and written by Gerald to Ken Lake (Ken Lake was one half of Lake and Brooks who produced the 'Year of the Child covers'. Apparently Ken died about 4 years ago).

The letter clearly shows Gerry's wit and humor. 

Gerald King - Letter to Ken Lake (page 1 of 2)

Gerald King - Letter to Ken Lake (page 2 of 2)



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Originally posted by JesperDK JesperDK wrote:

Information about the Matrimonial Cause Stamps:

Informations about the Matrimonial Cause Stamps


I have stamps inscribed 'Revenue Society of Great Britain that are very similar in design to these. Anyone seen them before ?

Glad of some help, thanks.

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Hi Londonbus1,

Do you mean the "10th Anniversary of the Revenue Society"-stamps...? 

Refer to this link from my personal webpage:


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I have tried to update the information for the different printings (Wonderland 1865 and Looking-Glass Land 1871)... including input from Keith in previous messages…:
 
1st Printing (1965):
 
34 stamps (36 stamps, if the variants of the “National Wildlife Week” and the “Freedom from Hunger” stamps counts), Large format, Printed in black only on various coloured papers, Perforated 11 3/4" (poor attempt at perforating the first issue) and Imperforated.
 
Printed by: Red Lodge Press (Only the first printing was done by them).
 
Some of the printed sheets from Red Lodge Press were sent to Harry Rooke (Cinderella journalist for the magazine "Stamp Collecting Weekly") who in turn sent them to someone who had a perforating machine.  They came back with at least two thirds badly perforated right into the design. Gerald never used this person again as he by this time had been contacted by Dave Stirling who had his own machine and was much better at it.
 
2nd Printing (Last half of 1970’s):
 
Large format, black ink on 10 different coloured papers, Box-rouletted 13 1/2”.
 
Printed by: TBD
 
New stamps: The “Too Late”-stamp (7 1/2 Winks), the “Mourning”-stamp (2 Golden Slumbers), the “Postage Due”-stamp (4 Winks), the “Alice’s Coronation”-stamp (20 Winks), a strongly retouched “2nd Botanical Congress” (2 Golden Slumbers), the “Health”-stamp (4 Winks and 2 Winks), the “Political Prisoner’s Relief Fund” (Half Wink) has been “relieved” of another ¼ Wink.
For the “Freedom from Hunger” (leg of mutton) issue the well-known major plate flaw (Cracked Plate) in pair with normal, the flaw now appears on the left-hand copy of the stamps.
Furthermore, the 1 Wink and the 3 Winks Alice heads were printed in blocks of 4.
 
3rd Printing (Late 1970’s):
 
To provide additional definitives for use on covers, a special plate was laid down providing blocks of nine of the 1 Wink and the 3 Winks values, with designer’s imprint in the lower left corner “Dodo, Lory & Co.”.
Frame breaks permit plating of all nine positions of the 1 Wink, but in any case each stamp, as the 3 Winks, bears code letters: AA- AB – AC / BA – BB – BC / CA – CB – CC etc.
Furthermore, the third stamp (code letters AC) of the 3 Winks is inverted.
 
The printing was carried out by “Storyville Publications & Co.” of Walthamstow, with black ink on matt surface-coloured paper, imperforate, in 10 colours (white, pale blue, yellow, pale orange, dark orange, pale green, dark green, pink, red and mauve).
 
The layout of the third printing part sheet:
The denomination was cleared from the 1 Wink design, and new values created. These were laid down in two rows of five stamps, denominations being 1/2, 1/2, 2, 2, 4, 5 (all in Winks) in the top row, and below 1/2, 1/2, 8, 10, 20 (all in Winks) and the “Political Prisoner’s Relief Fund” (Half Wink). Two different types of the 1/2 Winks denominations (diagonal fraction bar versus horizontal fraction bar).
Above the two rows, the two blocks of nine and between the blocks a new high-value definitive of 1 Golden Slumber, and flanking the se-tenant block another new design, a super-sized 30 Winks Jabberwocky Centennial value.
 
The book “Alice Through The Pillar-box” (from 1979) mainly shows 1st Printing stamps and 2nd Printing stamps, and the last couple of pages of the book also gives examples of the 3rd Printing stamps.
 
4th Printing (1982):
 
Smaller format (compared to the previous printings), Coloured stamps on coloured and white papers, Perforated 11 3/4" and Imperforated.
 
Six different authentic ink colours of the Victorian period: deep shades of blue, green and carmine, reddish-brown and claret as well as black.
Four different paper colours: white, buff, pale blue and rose.
24 varieties of each stamp.
 
Printed by: The Phantasmagoria Security Printing Co.
 
Catalogue covering the 4th Printing stamps: "Curiouser and Curiouser" (January 1982)
 
5th Printing (2000):
 
Smaller format (compared to the previous printings), Multi Coloured stamps on white papers, Perforated 11 3/4".
 
Printed by: The Phantasmagoria Security Printing Co.
 
Catalogue covering the 5th Printing stamps: "The Millennium Collection" (June 2000)
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I'm working on adding things to my collection which come from the pretty much definitive collection put together by Gerry's old friend the late Ken Lake.  The write-up of the 2nd printing adds some details to Jesper's work above (and changes some of it too).

The printing was in late 1970 (not the late 1970s).

The 10 paper colours were deep green, sap green, pale blue, lilac, scarlet, rose, salmon, orange, yellow and white.

Typewritten provisional overprints exist which are not listed in Gerry's catalogues.  HALF WINK (on the 1 wink Type 1) and ONE WINK (on the 3 winks Type 2).  The half wink provisional was caused by the increase in the TOO LATE rate from 7w to 7 1/2w.  I don't know why there was a 1 wink provisional.  None of these provisionals exists postally used.  I suspect they are very rare indeed!!

The printer was Bone of Great Queen Street, London WC1

The rouletting was by Trade Finishers (Walthamstow) Ltd. London, E17.  A google search suggests that this company still exists.

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This postcard, shown front and back (the stamps are printed on), was used to publicise the book 'Alice Through the Pillar Box' from Whizzard Press/Andre Deutsch:


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For referece material on the wonderland stamps you cannot do better than the articles in the past two Cinderella Philatelists. Snark Island follows in the first magazine of 2018. Non-members of the Cinderella Stamp Club can buy individual issues from their web site.

As Gerry says " I must congratulate you on this; probably the most comprehensive coverage to date."[/i}
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