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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2011 at 23:01
I agree with Colin here, I don't think pigeon-holing is necessary but it is helpful for new members to see instantly that their specialised area is catered for. Of course it would be very nice if some of the Mail Art or Artistamps people would use the forum to show off their work or talk about their area of expertise, but all things in good time.
 
I have come back to this forum today having been told to take time off and I am amazed at the breadth of material being discussed, and not being that knowledgeable about stamps, like Joolz, I am keen to find out more about what other areas are out there beyond the Discworld stamps that I have spent so much of my time and money on.  Wikipedia is a great place to start looking but it would be  much more useful to hear about Artistamps and Mail Art from a current designer or other collectors too.
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Joolz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2011 at 23:38
Very interesting and I agree that a bit of ambiguity makes for greater scope for discussion but, being terribly uptight by inclination (typically about 7 degrees off vertical), can I just press the definitions thing a bit further without causing dismay amongst the community?
 
So, what I think I'm hearing is that the superset here is "cinderellas" and within that there are whole range of different types of cinderella such as poster stamps, advertising labels, exhibition stamps, charity labels, political/propaganda stamps, unofficial (only?) local stamps, unofficial (only?) railway stamps, artistamps and so forth.
 
Some categories seem to be relatively separate. For example, I don't suppose an exhibition stamp could also be a railway stamp (even in the case of the exhibition in question being a railway exhibition).
 
However, some categories seem to overlap other categories partially or fully. For example, almost any of the categories could, it seems, be regarded as artistamps as well if there is an identifiable "art" element to the stamp.
 
The Wikipedia article has Discworld stamps as artistamps but I think I'm with Colin that their primary intention is to give the impression of being real stamps for a fictional location so not artistamps. The same would then be true of most of Colin's other creations (although perhaps not the "Be Mine" Valentine label of 2007 to pluck a counterexample at random out of the ether).
 
So, I reckon that Discworld stamps have most kinship with the subset of cinderelllas which comprises stamps issued by non-recognised countries or governments in the real world. It just happens that Discworld is an extreme case of "non-recognised" being as it is fictional.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 January 2011 at 23:52
Joolz, Just a thought (and please don't take this the wrong way) but why don't you try going on the Cinderella Stamps Club website and asking there for the definitive answer, they have a Q&A section and a query box and we would all be interested to know what their reply would be.
 
I may be wrong but as most of the regular contributors on this forum seem more interested in making stamps than in defining them it might be a more satisfactory means of acquiring the precise definitions you require.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Joolz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 January 2011 at 11:17
Originally posted by brand newman brand newman wrote:

Joolz, Just a thought (and please don't take this the wrong way) but why don't you try going on the Cinderella Stamps Club website and asking there for the definitive answer, they have a Q&A section and a query box and we would all be interested to know what their reply would be.
 
I may be wrong but as most of the regular contributors on this forum seem more interested in making stamps than in defining them it might be a more satisfactory means of acquiring the precise definitions you require.
Thanks, but I'm more than happy with the amount, the content and the quality of the debate on this forum (and I'm not taking your post the wrong way). Tongue
 
Whilst I'm certainly interested in people's opinion of the answer(s) to my little poser - particularly the people on this forum - I'm tbh not so interested as to want to engage in another forum just for the purpose of possibly eliciting an answer.
 
I'm very contented with my little collection of DW stamps and of Colin's and Alan's various bits and pieces and, whilst I have recently added a collection of Summer Isles local post (which is unusually a proper real local post) stamps and covers (now nearly complete) after a glowing article in the British Philatelic Bulletin (of RM) last year, I don't think I'll be expanding beyond that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Admin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2011 at 22:13
Here was where the origianl ARTISTAMPS thread had got to - sorry I hadn't started the thread I had considered starting - but there was a complete lack of interest from any of the artsitamps members we had back then, so nothing seems to have happened.
 
I will start an ARTISTAMPS thread immediately and look forward to the great flood of interest...
 
Keith - would you like me to move your thread here?
 
 
I began this forum as a place to discuss and share ALL cinderella stamps. It is my first forum and is not perfect BUT I will endeavour to make it the best available.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Keith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 July 2011 at 23:01

I had wanted to add it to the Artistamp section in order that there wouldn't be confusion about whether they were going to be issued in print or not.  But then I couldn't find the section.  So yes, is you set up an artistamp section I'd be more than happy for the thread to be moved there.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Admin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 July 2011 at 02:15
As requested Keith I have moved your thread into a NEW Artistamps section of the Forum.
 
Congratulations on being the first poster!
I began this forum as a place to discuss and share ALL cinderella stamps. It is my first forum and is not perfect BUT I will endeavour to make it the best available.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 August 2011 at 10:03
I thought that I would pursue the definition of an artistamp a little, perhaps for the purpose of discussion. I agree that there is a certain amount of overlap between artistamps and the fantasy stamps that many of us collect but I think that there is a distinction in so far as artistamps are primarily produced for art's sake and fantasy stamps are designed (and 'designed' is perhaps the operative word here) using traditional stamp designing principles.

Also, I don't think that one should dismiss the strong link between artistamps and Mail Art whereby stamp artists acquire validation of their art and stamps by passing them through the post either with or without valid postage stamps. As I mentioned above, most of the artistamps that I acquired came from Mail Art.

I think that the definition of an artistamp given in Wikipedia is inadequate and appears to be based on a very narrow knowledge of the subject. Indeed, I would suggest that the author of the article has simply based his definition on the stamps of Michael Thompson and Michael Hernandez de Luna. Their book, which I had previously recommended, 'The Stamp Art and Postal History of...' actually gives a better definition:

'They are made by artists to express their creativity, to decorate their mail and to exchange with other artists. They are not designed or meant to be sold as prepayment for mail delivery. Like any work of art, they carry a messge - one the artist has chosen to communicate.'

This messge can, as in the case of the two Michaels, be a political one or it can be less controversial and more artistic. See also the book,edited by Michael Hernandez de Luna; 'Axis of Evil' which is even more political and shows examples of other stamp artists. In the previous incarnation of this forum, I also mentioned 'The Book of Stamps' from Cabinet Books which actually contains examples of the artistamps from the 15 contributors. I recently acquired a large format limited edition (300) book of stamps by the German artist Jan Voss. Consisting of various squiggles (okay, I'm not an art critic) this A4 booklet contains perforated sheets of stamps varying in size from 1 stamp per sheet to 560 stamps per sheet!

Also check out Jean Baches and his book 'Mail-Art; 350 Faux-Timbres Obliteres'. He draws his own, very realistic stamps, and posts through the mail.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 August 2011 at 08:23

Interesting contribution to the thread, and I would agrre with what you said, but could add that artistamps could be purely vanity projects; they serve no function as you say beyond the artist's expression.

However, I always have concerns about categorising things. A pure artistamp is easy but there must be grey areas when the artistamp gets closer to a political label and that message becomes more significant than the artwork. When do you draw such lines?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Daniel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 February 2012 at 06:43
I have a program on my computer that ranks any website that I visit in order of general popularity. Thus, this forum is number 7,064,324, a certain DW forum is 2,338,782 and Wikipedia is no.6. However despite our, perhaps understandably, high ranking I think that we are not without influence. I believe that at least a couple of stamp magazine articles have been suggested  by this forum and the Golden Horizon Labels thread has a disproportionately high number of views. Further, following my poor review of the Wikipedia article on Artistamps I see that it has had a major rewrite and update and now offers a much better definition. Of course, this may just be wishful thinking on my part but I feel that there is some truth in my claims.
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