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    Posted: 08 January 2020 at 23:57
The Cinderella Stamp Club back in November 2017, refused to accept a full-page colour advert by the Gay Republic of Kemp Land promoting their stamps and refunded the payment made!  (But they happily printed a similar colour full-page advert by the Republic of Mevu.)

Discrimination or what?!  The Kemp Landers were highly offended, and many philatelists there have given up collecting GB to retaliate.


Full-page colour advert submitted to "The Cinderella Philatelist" (UK) for January 2018 issue.  Refused: payment refunded.


Full-page colour advert printed in "The Cinderella Philatelist" (UK), October 2017 issue.  They had no issues with this one!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Colin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2020 at 23:24
Does this relate to this quarter's Cinderella Philatelist magazine?  The dates referred to are somewhat confusing.

Was any reason for the refusal given?  It seems to me that your argument is with the Cinderella Stamp Club and you will not help your case by making your personal dispute public here until reasonable time has been given for a proper explanation.

Most publishers have their own standards for quality of design and reproduction and will also reserve the right to refuse to publish any advert which has overt or implied political or content. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Panterra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2020 at 16:19
No, the CSC declined to give a reason for rejecting the Kemp Land advert, once they realised that their words could be used in a discrimination case against them.  (Maybe this is why they are trying to push Brexit, so they can no longer be taken to the Euro Human Rights Court?)

There has been no further comment from them, so "reasonable time for a proper explanation" is not going to change anything.  I would have loved to attend the following AGM and grill them on this, but alas, distance precluded that.  But no reason why some of you UK folks can't do so at the next AGM!

I just think it is sad that such Victorian attitudes still prevail in the 21st century!  Here we are trying to keep philately alive (and it is under serious threat!) and these dinosaurs still wallow in puritanism, and repress their true feelings.  Most unfortunate.

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Originally posted by Panterra Panterra wrote:

I just think it is sad that such Victorian attitudes still prevail in the 21st century!  Here we are trying to keep philately alive (and it is under serious threat!) and these dinosaurs still wallow in puritanism, and repress their true feelings.  Most unfortunate.


Most publications I work with will not accept overt political content of any kind.  One man's enlightenment is another man's propoganda.  

I cannot speak on behalf of the CSC but I am certain every organisation has a responsibility to consider all of their membership when accepting artwork from potential advertisers.

Do you advertise your stamps in LGBT magazines? Surely this is one way of extending an interest in philately to a more liberal audience?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote doormatt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2020 at 03:01
Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

Most publications I work with will not accept overt political content of any kind.  One man's enlightenment is another man's propoganda.  


Colin/Admin:  When I joined this forum I agreed not to post anything political. I can't find the exact wording but my understanding was that no-one was supposed to be making political, religious or gender-sensitive remarks here. Has that changed?  I am certain I had to tick a box when I joined.


What annoys me here is that the thread has become all about one person's dissatisfaction with a club magazine (a club which has no representation here but to which many of us here belong) and it's apparent policy on advertising when the thread began as a useful reminder of what fantasy stamps had been featured in the most recent magazine.  


Surely it would have been better for panterrar to begin a new thread for his unhappy tirade than to spoil an existing thread.


And you, as Admin, should either:

Remove the ad-related thread comments as it conflicts with forum policy that the rest of us have signed up to,

Or move the thread to start a 'conversation' of it's own,

Or at least not poke the bear and create an ongoing discourse that appears to interest no-one else here

Or get someone else in as an admin who will control such threads with some authority



For what it is worth I suspect that the advertisement was declined by the magazine because it looks like an ill thought out, dog's breakfast of a communication that would bring down the rest of the publication.

It's a new decade Pantsterra, get over it, and move on.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Admin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2020 at 04:00
Colin/Admin here!!!

We are a broad church here, I don't think the content of the advertisement will bother anyone here.

I don't tend to leap in and interrupt discussions unless someone is really upset, and I prefer to move items around once a discussion is finished.  I think that ANY dscussion is better than NO discussion!  

I do take your point though that the CSC are not here to respond but I know there are plenty of their members who do look-in. I am sure Panterra has taken that into account when making these comments here he is probably not helping his chances of having such advertisements published again in future.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote doormatt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2020 at 06:22
Originally posted by Admin Admin wrote:

I don't think the content of the advertisement will bother anyone here.

I don't tend to leap in and interrupt discussions unless someone is really upset

Will PM you.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Panterra Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2020 at 01:07
Come on guys!  Stop muttering about "political" adverts!

Both the Mevu advert (accepted) and the Kemp Land advert (rejected) were TRAVEL adverts, with fantasy stamps also promoted.

To quote Douglas Adams: "Mostly harmless!"

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hiromi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2020 at 00:43
Whilst I am not one of the 'guys' Panterra, I can see why your advert might be considered unsuitable for publication in a general interest magazine.

It is NOT a travel advert. You cannot travel to a fantasy land.   

It states 'Straights tolerated'. That offends me as labelling any person by there gender is discrimatory and divisive. I would not travel to a nation that stated 'Gays Tolerated'.

The 'Antarctica' advert is also a fake of course but its political goals are not as immediately obvious.  


I also think that this whole argument does not belong to a thread which was started in order to discuss articles in a magazine.  It should be moved elsewhere where it can be ignored by anyone not interested in whatever the title of its thread might be.  I do not want to open a thread which discusses actual features in a magazine to be confronted with a series of HUGE images for stamps and pages which are not related to the published magazine and which are essentially further self-promotion for one man's fantasy output, and seems to occur elsewhere on this forum when the member makes a post.  Any post made seems to include an example of a 'stamp'.  Nothing wrong with that in itself but it does get distracting when not relevant to the thread on which it is imposed.

Admin, if you want members to post and put up pictures more often you have to take responsibility for the quality of the images and for the content and its relevance to the thread in question or this forum will become a mouthpiece for one man's opinions and the showcase for his rather idiosyncratic artwork.

I also cannot see the point in the use Douglas Adams' image and quote here and will be contacting the owners of his estate.  I knew Douglas personally and while he was always a supporter of human rights he would not have approved of being linked retrospectively on a fictitious stamp.  

For the sake of fairness I will also contact the estate of Roald Admundsen, who I am sure will be just as interested in the misuse of his name and image in the production and commercial promotion of the Mevu stamps.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote crzydmnd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 January 2020 at 05:56
Originally posted by Hiromi Hiromi wrote:

this forum will become a mouthpiece for one man's opinions and the showcase for his rather idiosyncratic artwork.

If Panterra is the admin and owner of the forum I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to post up as many pictures of his own stamps as he likes, as awful as they are, it IS his forum.
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